{"id":8347,"date":"2014-02-01T22:32:46","date_gmt":"2014-02-01T22:32:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ramworks.net\/blog\/?p=8347"},"modified":"2014-11-14T14:08:57","modified_gmt":"2014-11-14T14:08:57","slug":"2000-fps-9mm","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/2000-fps-9mm\/","title":{"rendered":"2000 fps 9mm"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Liberty Ammunition 50 grain, 9mm +P, Civil Defense load fired from a Remington R 51<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

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A few weeks ago I received a supply of ammunition from\u00a0Liberty Ammunition<\/a>. It was a collection of their Civil Defense loads. Today Bat and I run them trough 10% ordnance gelatin before we shot basketball. (Hey, its 60 freaking degrees here today. Heat wave!)<\/p>\n

The performance of these loads will be detailed in an upcoming article so I cannot share all the results here or the magazine would have nothing to pay me for. What I can do is tell you that, at least from a velocity standpoint, this stuff performs as advertised. Terminally speaking I’d say the results were good and bad with a lot of tissue destruction but with penetration that was not in a straight line.<\/p>\n

I’m not sure how deep the 9mm load would penetrate because I could never keep the bullet’s base in a four inch wide gel block. After the violent expansion, all that is left is a disk and as with any bullet that gets to flat, these disks like to turn on their edge. When they do, the direction they go is anyone’s guess. The only thing you can be reasonably sure of is that it won’t be straight.<\/p>\n

Watching the video’s on the manufacturer’s web sight<\/a> I notice they are testing the loads in what looks to be Perma-Gel or something similar. This stuff is not the same as 10% ordnance gelatin and as I’ve seen before, there can be variations – with some bullets – when comparing the results with gelatin. (In the video the bullets seem to track straight.) Of course, ordnance gelatin is not a bad guy and Perma-Gel isn’t either. So, make what you will of the results.<\/p>\n

I can tell you that the Civil Defense load was the most accurate load tested out of Remington’s new R-51<\/a> and the average velocity was 2006 fps; 6 fps more than what Liberty Ammunition advertises. The .45 ACP load is advertised at 1900 fps and it averaged 1938 fps from a Colt Commander. The .380 ACP load is advertised at 1500 fps. Out of a Diamondback .380<\/a> with a 2.8 inch barrel the average velocity was 1418 fps. Recoil in the .380 and the 9 was moderate, out of the .45 it was stiff.<\/p>\n

There has long been an argument when it comes to what is best when talking defensive handgun ammunition; velocity or energy. (The .40 S&W was created for those who cannot make up their mind.) Looks like you get both with this stuff – the 9mm load generates 446 ft.lbs. at the muzzle and the .45 650! Of course you also get a frangible bullet. It might be just what you’re looking for and it might not. I’m just the messenger so don’t shoot in my direction with this stuff or anything else. I’m kind of partial to Remington’s 124 grain +P Golden Saber load.<\/a><\/p>\n\n

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    A few weeks ago I received a supply of ammunition from\u00a0Liberty Ammunition. It was a collection of their Civil Defense loads. Today Bat and I run them trough 10% ordnance gelatin before we shot basketball. (Hey, its 60 freaking degrees here today. Heat wave!) 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