{"id":8150,"date":"2014-01-27T20:22:16","date_gmt":"2014-01-27T20:22:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ramworks.net\/blog\/?p=8150"},"modified":"2015-12-07T21:10:51","modified_gmt":"2015-12-07T21:10:51","slug":"concealed-carry-logic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/concealed-carry-logic\/","title":{"rendered":"Concealed Carry Logic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-8158\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Richard-Mann-cs-200x200.jpg?resize=200%2C200\" alt=\"Richard Mann cs\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Just so you know where I\u2019m coming from before I get started on a rant, let\u2019s start off with two declarations:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>I do not believe a permit should be required for you to carry a handgun concealed.<\/li>\n<li>I do not believe that mandatory training should be a requirement to obtain a concealed carry permit.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, there should be no confusion between me and that other <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thetruthaboutguns.com\/2013\/11\/robert-farago\/guns-ammo-supports-gun-control\/\" target=\"_blank\">Dick (Metcalf)<\/a>, which proves that all gun writers do not think alike.\u00a0My thoughts on his brain fart can be found <a href=\"http:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/guns-ammo-reboot\/\" target=\"_blank\">HERE<\/a>. And, for what its worth, my hats are much more manly and better looking than the ones he wears!<\/p>\n<p>Based on <a href=\"http:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/logic-and-concealed-carry-permits\/\" target=\"_blank\">a very informal survey I devised<\/a> it would seem that a lot of folks who read my blog \u2013 about 75% &#8211; agree with me on point number 1.\u00a0We should acknowledge that it is expected that those taking the survey on my blog are probably gun people. Otherwise they would not be on my blog to start with. So, keep that in mind.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, with regard to mandatory training question, about 25% disagree with me.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/RS10_626.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-8151 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/RS10_626-200x200.jpg?resize=200%2C200\" alt=\"RS10_626\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" \/><\/a>Now, I\u2019m not a genius and some would argue that I\u2019m not even very smart. I\u2019m definitely not a mathematician or a statistician. However, I have been able to get through my life by applying, what we call here in West Virginia, hillbilly logic. Hillbilly logic is nothing more than being able to say that, \u201cThat shit don\u2019t make sense.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So, let me analyze the necessity for one, concealed carry permits and two, for mandatory training. And, I\u2019ll do this not from a political or constitutional standpoint but from a logical standpoint.<\/p>\n<p>First lets look at what a concealed carry permit allows you to do and that\u2019s carry a handgun hidden on your person. It does not give you permission to pull it out and show it to your buddy while you shove fires in your face at McDonalds. Nor does it give you permission to wave it around in a crowded room yelling, \u201cMake the voices stop!\u201d Essentially, it gives you permission to do something no one will ever know you are doing. Well, unless the bad guys come for you. If they do, you may need to un-conceal your handgun to shoot them.<\/p>\n<p>At the basic level, a concealed carry permit gives you the ability to <b><i>legally<\/i><\/b> feel safe as opposed to <b><i>illegally<\/i><\/b> feeling the same way.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Handbag.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-8154\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Handbag-200x200.jpg?resize=200%2C200\" alt=\"Handbag\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Now I\u2019m sure that the 25% will argue that we must have a license to drive a vehicle. This is an asinine analogy because driving a vehicle has nothing to do with your ability to protect your life and unless you live in some weird state of mind, the right to life is not something governed by religion or politics.<\/p>\n<p>The 25% will also probably argue that the process to obtain a permit prevents felons and criminals from going about armed. This of course only makes sense if you accept the fact that criminals will obey the law. If you believe that, then the concealed carry permit is even more asinine because; felons are already prevented \u2013 by law &#8211; from being in procession of a firearm.<\/p>\n<p>So what is the point of the concealed carry permit? Well, since most States require that you complete some sort of training in order to obtain a concealed carry permit, it must be there to insure safety. The question is <em><strong>safety<\/strong><\/em> while doing what? Carrying a hidden handgun.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/CO_223.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-8157 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/CO_223-200x200.jpg?resize=200%2C200\" alt=\"CO_223\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" \/><\/a>Now, I don\u2019t rate myself a firearms expert but if you put a handgun in your holster and carry it hidden, and don\u2019t pull it out to show your buddy or wave it around in a crowd, that handgun, hidden in that holster, is about as safe as it can be.<\/p>\n<p>Well, but, if you pull it out to shoot a bad guy, you need to be safe! Yeah, that makes sense but the problem is the permit does not give you permission to pull your handgun to shoot a bad guy; it only gives you permission to carry the handgun concealed. No one can give you permission to shoot an attacker and only you can decide if shooting an attacker is the correct course of action, based on the totality of the circumstances that only you are experiencing.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, if we go back to the informal survey we find that only about 3% believe that you should be prosecuted for shooting an attacker if you did not have a concealed carry permit when you did it. This would lead us to deduce that most think the end justifies the means.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m sorry, I\u2019m having trouble with this: Shooting a bad guy and breaking the law (not having a permit) is OK, Do nothing wrong and breaking the law (carry without a permit) and you go to jail. Really? If I don\u2019t need a permit to shoot a bad guy, why do I need a permit to not shoot a bad guy?\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Purse.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-8156\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/Purse-200x200.jpg?resize=200%2C200\" alt=\"Purse\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Logically speaking, having to obtain the permission of a government agency in order to feel safe by doing something that no one will ever know you are doing, almost meets the definition of insanity. Additionally, requiring that a person be trained on how to feel safe and then to make them pay a fee to feel safe seems unfair to those who struggle to find enough money just to buy bologna.<\/p>\n<p>To illustrate how illogical all this is, you live in a country where you can vote and select the direction this country will go, and select the folks who will decide the rules regarding concealed carry, without identification or training. But, if you want to feel safe and exercise the best possible way to remain safe, you must have both.<\/p>\n<p><strong>We don\u2019t need permits or mandatory training to carry condoms or concealed handguns. It&#8217;s about protection. Use it if you need it.<\/strong><i> <\/i>For the government to make a requirement that citizens receive training and obtain a permit before they tuck a J-Frame in their coat pocket lacks a foundation in logic.\u00a0If they tuck that J-Frame in the belt line and blow off their happiness, they&#8217;ll know better next time.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/IWB.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-8152 alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/IWB-200x200.jpg?resize=200%2C200\" alt=\"IWB\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" \/><\/a>In a perfect world anyone who wanted to could go to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gunsite.com\/main\/\" target=\"_blank\">Gunsite<\/a> for free. But in a perfect world no one would feel the need to have a handgun for protection. This is not a perfect world. Bad guys abound and practically and financially limiting our ability to protect ourselves from them creates opportunities for them to flourish. Here is a novel thought: Instead of creating gun free zones and carry permit procedures, why don\u2019t we establish murder free zones by enabling the public to protect themselves without having to pay a tax and attend a training session that teaches them how to do something they are not being given permission to do?<\/p>\n<p>I shouldn\u2019t need a permit or training to carry a handgun concealed just like I don\u2019t need a permit or training to wear thong underwear. The only way you are going to know if I am doing either is to try to hurt me or undress me. If you choose the latter best be gentle or your intentions might be mistaken.<\/p>\n<p>Where is your permit? You&#8217;re breathing and don&#8217;t want to stop. What about your training, If I can be trusted to legally own a firearm then <em><strong>I should be able to mandate<\/strong><\/em> the necessary training I need.<\/p>\n<p>Here are my common sense rules regarding concealed carry:<\/p>\n<p>If you do stupid shit with a handgun and someone gets hurt, you\u2019re in trouble.<\/p>\n<p>If you shoot someone who didn\u2019t need shooting with your handgun, you\u2019re in trouble.<\/p>\n<p>Gee, that was simple! Why didn&#8217;t I just start with that? I could have been writing about how much better the .270 is than the .30-06.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_8153\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-8153\" style=\"width: 200px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"http:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/splainn-it-hillbilly-simple-like\/\" target=\"_blank\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-thumbnail wp-image-8153 \" style=\"border: 3px solid black;\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/01\/HP-200x200.jpg?resize=200%2C200\" alt=\"HP\" width=\"200\" height=\"200\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-8153\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE THIS POST<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Just so you know where I\u2019m coming from before I get started on a rant, let\u2019s start off with two declarations: I do not believe a permit should be required for you to carry a handgun concealed. I do not believe that mandatory training should be a requirement to obtain a concealed carry permit. &nbsp; Obviously, there should be no confusion between &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[2509],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8150","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-defense"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p5hujZ-27s","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":8145,"url":"https:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/logic-and-concealed-carry-permits\/","url_meta":{"origin":8150,"position":0},"title":"Logic and Concealed Carry Permits","author":"gunwriter","date":"January 24, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"In an effort to support a future dissertation on the logic associated with concealed carry permits and training, I've assembled a few polls. 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