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.30 Remington AR<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

And yet another case of folks who think they are smarter than everyone else and are giving bad advice about something they don\u2019t have any experience with. Not too long ago I commented about keeping your mouth shut<\/a> and referenced the Versacarry and how some folks who had done nothing more than fondle it and smell it, turned up there nose to it.<\/p>\n

Several commented here and on Facebook about how unsafe it was and in one case a person insinuated that since they are in the education business \u2013 a firearms instructor \u2013 that somehow that made them more qualified to look at something and make a determination.<\/p>\n

Well, let me tell you what makes you qualified to make a determination; experience. None of those commenting on the Versacarry told you how long they had been using one, how many times it had failed or how many consumers had actually accidentally shot them selves while using it. (None!)<\/p>\n

Here is another example of bad advice given, due to either inexperience or an effort to be funny. A reader wrote into Field & Stream and asked:<\/p>\n

\u201cI have read great things about the .30 RAR, but I can\u2019t find a single source for brass. Is there something I\u2019m missing, or did Remington drop the ball here?\u201d\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

Field & Stream\u2019s rifle guy \u2013 Dave Petzal \u2013 responded with:<\/p>\n

\u201cI don\u2019t know where you read those great things, but I\u2019d look elsewhere for information from now on. The .30 RAR\u2019s light, low-ballistic-coefficient bullets lose velocity rapidly, and the fat cases limit magazine capacity. My guess is that Remington is trying to forget the thing exists.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

Dave Petzal, Field & Stream \u201cSmart Guy\u201d September 2013\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

The reader\u2019s first mistake was asking for sound advice from Field & Stream about a modern rifle cartridge designed for the AR 15. Petzal\u2019s mistake was giving advice about something that it would obviously appear he has no experience with.<\/p>\n

\"Thanksgiving<\/a>
WV black bear taken with a .30 Remington AR using a 150 grain Nosler Accubond.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

If he had he would have know that the .30 Remington AR duplicates .300 Savage ballistics and that it will push a 150 grain bullet to 2600 fps with proper handloads. (Hey, the guy was asking where he might find brass.) If he had the field experience with the cartridge he would have also known that those low-ballistic-coefficient bullets are capable of cleaning killing big game animals from pronghorn to Kudu out to 300 yards. (Not many hunters got any business shooting further than that. I know I don’t want to!) \u00a0I\u2019m also surprised that being the Melvin Forbes<\/a> disciple that he is, he did not know that a rifle form New Ultra Light Arms<\/a> in .30 Remington AR is probably the lightest \/ most powerful rifle<\/a> Melvin Forbes can make for a commercial cartridge.<\/p>\n

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Kudu taken in South Africa with a NULA .30 Remington AR and a 150 grain Nosler Accubond. Range? Almost 300 yards!<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

As for the magazine capacity issue, an AR 15 in .30 Remington AR will hold 10 and one of Melvin\u2019s rifles will hold four and it will feed those fat cases perfectly (WATCH THE VIDEO)<\/a>. Capacity should not be a problem or a hunter unless you cannot shoot.<\/p>\n

Of course I know Petzal, like him and respect him – even if Jack O’Connor didn’t – \u00a0and I know he has a great if not sometimes weird sense of humor. Maybe he was just in one of his funky moods and thought he would make a funny. One thing he might be right about is that Remington might want to forget the .30 Remington AR because they made such a mess of its introduction. Maybe they should not have asked the old time gunwriters who don’t like or hunt with ARs to write about it.<\/p>\n

That does not change the fact that it is the first commercial cartridge to turn the AR 15 into a true big game rifle <\/a>capable of taking anything in North America.<\/p>\n

Come on Petzal, you can make a better – funnier – joke than that. Drop by my camp in WV, I got some deer you can try the .30 Remington AR and those low-ballisitc-coefficient .30 caliber bullets out on. Afterwards we can sit by the fire and you can tell your best jokes.<\/p>\n

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