{"id":16690,"date":"2021-03-01T15:23:11","date_gmt":"2021-03-01T15:23:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/?p=16690"},"modified":"2021-03-01T15:25:35","modified_gmt":"2021-03-01T15:25:35","slug":"analysis-of-the-scout-rifle-part-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/analysis-of-the-scout-rifle-part-4\/","title":{"rendered":"Analysis of the Scout Rifle: Part 4"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

This is the fourth in a series of articles concerning the Scout Rifle. It could be considered an addendum to my book, The Scout Rifle Study<\/strong>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Problem with the Scout Rifle Community<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The members of the Scout Rifle community exasperate all of the problems with the Concept, the name, and the Scout Rifle. Some believe that for a rifle to be a Scout Rifle it must fully meet every aspect of Cooper\u2019s definition. I believe that since Cooper defined the Scout Rifle; this is a logical approach. However, the problem arises when his disciples disparage those who do not fully understand the Concept, its history, or Cooper. A fellow may present a rifle that\u2019s almost a Scout Rifle, only to be met with condescending treatment. These folks will use the term pseudo-scout, lever-scout, or some other hyphenated-scout moniker, to describe these rifles. Ironically, many of these, shall we call them elitists, have never fired, handled, or even seen a rifle that met every element of Cooper\u2019s definition. (Truth is, most people haven’t.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Other members of the Scout Rifle community take a more inclusive approach and seem to not get all bent out of shape when someone calls a rifle that does not fit within the definition Cooper established a Scout Rifle. I think this is a wonderfully wholesome approach but admittedly, I don\u2019t really know how it’s supposed to work. If Cooper\u2019s definition of a Scout Rifle is not the definition of a Scout Rifle, then what is? And, if Cooper\u2019s definition is only a guide, then there really is no such thing as a Scout Rifle; there’s just rifles with scout scopes or rifles used for “scouting” purposes.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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One issue with the understanding of the Scout Rifle is the contrast between the definition and performance. If a rifle performs better at Scout Rifle chores but does not meet the definition, is it a Scout Rifle or something else? And, what exactly are those chores?<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

If a rifle meets every aspect of Cooper\u2019s definition but is a few ounces too heavy, is it still a Scout Rifle? What if it\u2019s a pound too heavy. What if it’s heavier than three kilos, but lighter than 3.5? What if it meets every aspect of the definition but is chambered for a cartridge other than the 308 Winchester? Is it still a Scout Rifle? What if, by Cooper\u2019s definition, it is too heavy and<\/em> too long? Would it still qualify as a Scout Rifle? What if it\u2019s a semi-auto, a pump, or lever-action? Is it still a Scout? Maybe there could be some sort of matrix listing acceptable exceptions to the definition. But who would create this matrix and make those acceptable<\/em> allowances?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That would be an unworkable solution. When you start bending the rules you end up with the American tax code where with the right accountant and attorney you can, well, slide by just about anything you want. Can you imagine someone creating a rifle that almost meets Cooper\u2019s definition and then suing those who refuse to allow him to call it a Scout Rifle? No? If someone can use Gorilla Glue to style their hair and then sue the company with the defense they are as dumb as a box of rocks, well, then it is not outside the realm of possibility.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Some of the discussions on various forums or social media are nothing but arguments about what is and what isn\u2019t a Scout Rifle. Any way you look at it, permitting deviations from the definition is a problematic approach. Of course, maybe there is no problem at all. Who gave Jeff Cooper the right to establish a firearm classification and <\/em>to set all the parameters associated with it? Really, no one, except those who felt he had earned the privilege to do so? Should all the other folks even care?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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This Scout Rifle was built by Jim Brockman on a Forbes rifle. As shown, with the Spartan bipod receiver installed, it weighs 5 pounds 12 ounces. The bipod adds 5 ounces.
It is an absolute joy to carry and shoot. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

The underlying fact is that a rifle that meets every aspect of Cooper\u2019s definition is indeed a very handy rifle that would serve someone doing scout-like things anywhere in the world very well. Cooper was, as bad as some might hate to admit it, right. Those who have worked with a rifle meeting Cooper\u2019s definition will tell you it is a joy to carry, handle, and shoot. By allowing any rifle that looks<\/em> like a Scout Rifle, but is definitely not a Scout Rifle, to carry that name, the Concept loses value and meaning.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Is there an answer to the problem? Probably not. While the Scout Rifle Community is a small but reasonably assembled group, the gun writers who do most of the educating of the masses about Scout Rifles are mostly uninformed on the subject. Just the other day I read an article<\/a> where a frequently published writer claimed the Scout Rifle was an off-shoot from rifles used by the Australian Army in the jungles of New Guinea, and Jeff Cooper was only mentioned in passing. Articles like this, written by the uninformed, are a large part of the problem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s misinformation like this that guides those who are interested down a path that does not find favor with the Scout Rifle community. Believe it or not, gun writers do not know everything. (I know, I’m talking about myself, but there’s a lot of gun stuff I don’t know a lot about. It’s the stuff I avoid writing about and others should do the same.) That coupled with manufactures using \u201cScout Rifle\u201d as a name for rifles that are kind of like a rifle Jeff Cooper defined, to something dynamically opposite to what Jeff Cooper intended, makes it impossible to control the narrative.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The 2016 Scout Rifle Conference at Gunsite Academy<\/a> was a great success and served as a period of enlightenment to many. Maybe it is time for another. Maybe it should be an annual event.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

The bottom line is that a lot of people want a rifle that they can call a Scout Rifle and that will be accepted as a Scout Rifle by the folks who claim to know exactly what a Scout Rifle is. It does not matter to these folks that their rifle is not<\/em> a Scout Rifle. But, since they intend to use it for scout-like applications, and since it has a close approximation to several of the elements Cooper put forth, they feel it is a Scout Rifle. Then, some members of the Scout Rifle community tell them it is not a Scout Rifle, others tell them it is a Scout Rifle, and others give it some sort of hyphenated-Scout Rifle name.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hell, it\u2019s no wonder there\u2019s so much confusion and disagreement about what is and what is not a Scout Rifle. Cooper gave us the definition of a Scout Rifle; the problem is a lot of people don\u2019t like it or agree with it. They\u2019ll argue that both technology and the mission have changed. Well, no shit! While this might justify some modification of the definition, no one but Jeff Cooper \u2013 who, for those who may not know, is dead \u2013 are in a position to make those changes. And, even if Cooper was still with us and agreed that technology and the mission warranted changes to his definition, there would still be those – in and out of the Scout Rifle community – who would argue this or that element of any new definition that might be presented.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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At 7.5 pounds as shown, this Remington Custom Shop Model Seven meets Cooper’s definition and is a fantastic rifle that has taken game on two continents. However, it is hellishly expensive.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n

Cooper defined a Scout Rifle for a certain purpose. If your purpose or space of existence is different, you most likely need a different type of rifle than Cooper conceptualized. Calling your adaptation of a rifle you do not think you need, a “Scout Rifle,” shows your lack of understanding of the concept, while at the same time expresses a need for validation through association with a proven weapon system you do not want<\/strong><\/em>!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It should be the job of gun writers and the Scout Rifle community to educate others about the history of the Scout Rifle Concept, while at the same time promoting an understanding of world-wide applicable, geographically specific, and individually tempered, general purpose rifles. Though all are inspired by a very similar practical need, they are not the same thing. In other words, not all useful, general-purpose rifles are not Scout Rifles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Scout Rifle community, which is mostly assembled on-line, contains some who are well versed with Scout Rifles, some who have lots of field experience, and some who have both. It also contains enthusiasts and it’s those enthusiasts that will determine the longevity of Jeff Cooper’s concept. The Scout Rifle community – of which I am part of – is the only thing that can save the founding concept of the Scout Rifle from extinction. I think for the most part, as a group, we’re doing a poor job of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Ruger’s Gunsite Scout Rifle is the rifle that today mostly defines the Scout Rifle.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Many who are interested cannot afford the Steyr Scout, which is the only commercial Scout Rifle Cooper blessed. And, creating a custom definition-meeting rifle is very, very costly. The average guy with a wife and two kids and an average job simply cannot afford to do it. This is of course why Ruger introduced the Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle; it’s a modernized approach to what Cooper envisioned but more importantly something the average guy can afford. Though it’s a fine rifle it falls a bit short of what Cooper envisioned. Is it a Scout Rifle?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Well, it’s as close as most of us will ever get to a rifle that will meet Cooper’s definition. I know I fall in that group; was it not for my profession and industry connections, it’s doubtful I would have ever claimed experience with or ownership of a true Scout Rifle, or even a Steyr Scout. If you want a true Scout Rifle you have to spend money and Cooper was OK with that, he felt perfection should not be sacrificed for affordability. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

And maybe with that we’ve found the primary problem with the Scout Rifle; the damn thing is expensive! It always has been and most likely always will be. This means most of us who are interested will purchase or craft the approximations we can afford, will tweak them for our personal needs, and will also make excuses for why our rifles fall short of the definition or why the definition falls short of our actual needs. There is nothing – NOTHING – wrong with that. Especially if while doing so we remember and honor Cooper’s concept without trying to change it. And, maybe that is the message the Scout Rifle Community needs to support. For the most part, we are all on the same road, we’re just riding different horses. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

In Part 5 of this series we will examine how performance compares with definition, with regard to a Scout Rifle.<\/p>\n\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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