{"id":14138,"date":"2016-12-19T20:58:06","date_gmt":"2016-12-19T20:58:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/?p=14138"},"modified":"2017-01-02T23:52:03","modified_gmt":"2017-01-02T23:52:03","slug":"the-257-wildcat-or-somethingoranother","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/the-257-wildcat-or-somethingoranother\/","title":{"rendered":"The 257 Wildcat or 25 Somethinganother"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

I need your help – but more on that in a moment. (See poll at bottom of post.)<\/p>\n

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Introducing the 257 Wildcat, or whatever you want to call it.<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

I\u2019ve always been a quarter-bore kind of guy. The allure of the 257 Roberts hit me early and lasted long. However, of the near dozen Bobs I\u2019ve owned, I\u2019ve never had one that I really liked. Some would shoot well, others not so much. And then there is that long-action\/short-action thing with the Roberts. I loath long actions but like long bullets.<\/p>\n

I had a brief affair with the 250 Savage and have flirted with the 25-06. One is short and slow, the other long and fast. The former has always proved accurate, with the latter its been hit and miss. The 24-45 Sharps really inspired me and has proven to be a tack driver in several rifles, while nearly duplicating factory 250-3000 ballistics from an AR 15. Still, its not a big game cartridge for the world.<\/p>\n

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This Remington model 700 for the 257 Wildcat was put together by Jerry Dove using a Remington action and a Proof Research barrel.<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Driving back from a hunt in Montana last year Hornady<\/a>\u2019s Neal Emery and I had the idea of necking the 6.5 Creedmoor down to .25 caliber. It would provide +P Roberts or 250 AI ballistics, in a true short action cartridge, for which there is a lot of quality brass available. And too, all you need to make the brass is a 6.5 Creedmoor bushing die. I suggested Hornady launch the new cartridge. They failed to take much interest so I decided to have a go at it.<\/p>\n

With some help from two fellow hillbillies – wildcatting professional Mike Cyrus of Lehigh Defense<\/a> and my personal gunsmith Jerry Dove of Dove Custom Guns<\/a> (Jerry is not really my personal<\/em> gunsmith but it sounds really cool to say you have a \u201cpersonal gunsmith.”) – we have built the first I know of .25 caliber wildcat on the 6.5 Creedmoor case. Mike arranged a reamer from Dave Manson<\/a> and fabricated a\u00a0bushing for the sizing die. Jerry trued and barreled a new for 2017, Remington 700 Magpul,\u00a0and then fitted a Proof Research\u00a01 in 9 twist barrel.<\/p>\n

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The 25 caliber wildcat cartridge based on the 6.5 Creedmoor is suitable for a wide range of bullets types from 70 to 120 grains.<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

This left me to have all the fun, working up the load data. (The mad scientist side of me really enjoys doing that. It\u2019s a pressure push to reach the target velocity before having to pound the bolt open.) Load development is about one-third complete and I\u2019m impressed with the cartridge and the rifle. Sub MOA groups are the norm and 70 grain Sierra Blitzkings are screaming out the barrel at 3500 fps + and 110 AccuBonds are breaking the 3000 fps mark.<\/p>\n

What\u2019s missing is a name for this cartridge and that’s\u00a0where\u00a0you can help.<\/strong> While it is technically a 257 Creedmoor it is not a long-range match cartridge like the Creedmoor name would suggest. This is a true, both-ways cartridge, suitable for big game and varmints, out to about as far as most humans have any business shooting. Here\u2019 the thing, the article on this new cartridge goes to press in two weeks. It will appear in my Wildcat Cartridges<\/strong> column in Handloader magazine<\/a> and I need to know what to call it. Right now I\u2019m going with the 257 Wildcat – keep it simple right? – but the 250 Hillbilly is running a close second.<\/p>\n

Please vote\u00a0on one of the suggested cartridge names below or feel free to suggest your own.<\/p>\n

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Better than the Bob, the 257 caliber wildcat based on the 6.5 Creedmoor will work in a short action and handle the longest bullets available in the caliber.<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

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I need your help – but more on that in a moment. (See poll at bottom of post.) I\u2019ve always been a quarter-bore kind of guy. The allure of the 257 Roberts hit me early and lasted long. However, of the near dozen Bobs I\u2019ve owned, I\u2019ve never had one that I really liked. Some would shoot well, others not so much. …<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":true,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[2500,1],"tags":[483,2727,105,1431,174,2537,689,283],"class_list":["post-14138","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-shooting","category-uncategorized","tag-257-roberts","tag-6-5-creedmoor","tag-dove-custom-guns","tag-hornady","tag-lehigh-defense","tag-proof-research","tag-remington","tag-wildcat-cartridges"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p5hujZ-3G2","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":8009,"url":"https:\/\/empty-cases.com\/blog\/neophobia\/","url_meta":{"origin":14138,"position":0},"title":"Neophobia","author":"gunwriter","date":"January 14, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"\u00a0 Neophobia is the fear of new things. 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